tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post3948290223184239395..comments2024-03-22T07:16:35.188+00:00Comments on Against Heresies: Carl Trueman talks about J. I. PackerMartin Downeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08019053545918223050noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post-65020860098654499802018-06-30T01:23:35.184+01:002018-06-30T01:23:35.184+01:00Wow, I'm currently reading Dr. Packer's In...Wow, I'm currently reading Dr. Packer's Intoductory Essay to John Owen's Death of Death in the Death of Christ. There the Gosple is clarified as a Reformed doctrine and argued as the solution to the lack luster half Gosple that is currently preached in America. Brethren let us take a sober warning from this that our religion must be of the heart as well as of the mind. Our beliefs must be telt and felt. Please pray with me that we follow no other Gosple than that which we have received from the holy writ. Our Souls are at stake. Pray for Packer aswell.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14430297659709364030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post-82136039049381157972010-03-11T14:17:19.564+00:002010-03-11T14:17:19.564+00:00I had an opportunity last year to hear Packer at t...I had an opportunity last year to hear Packer at the Wycliffe Hall/Reformed Theological Seminary lectures in Orlando Florida. Feb. 2009.<br /><br />I asked Packer how Anglo-Catholics and Evangelical/Reformed Anglicans can walk together when they have a completely different reading of the 39 Articles. He was visibly miffed that I would ask such a question.<br /><br />However, in my opinion, the issue of justification by faith "only" is not a secondary issue. This is why I have a problem with Anglicanism in general--even though I myself am a member of a congregation associated with The Episcopal Church here in the central Florida Diocese. My rector is David Knox, son of David Broughton Knox of Moore College in Sydney, Australia.<br /><br />I think Ann's remarks are naive at best because it shows her commitment is to catholic unity at all costs and sound doctrine based on Scripture is out the window. The problem, as history shows, however, is that when the church has greater authority than Scripture all sorts of heresies creep in. The current state of the Anglican Communion demonstrates the effects of Anglo-Catholicism quite well.<br /><br />I could mention the many heresies which at one time were the "official" doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church in times past and in the present. Need I say more?<br /><br />The problem with Packer as I see it is that he fails to tell us what he thinks is secondary and tertiary and what is primary. If we take the Anglo-Catholics in we have in effect compromised many primary issues, in my opinion.<br /><br />Sincerely yours in Christ,<br /><br />Charlie J. Ray<br /><br />www.reasonablechristian.blogspot.comCharlie J. Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18185331029930925967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post-56265728323169937302009-11-25T08:27:12.358+00:002009-11-25T08:27:12.358+00:00Martin,
Thanks for your gracious response to my c...Martin,<br /><br />Thanks for your gracious response to my comment. On watching the video and reading your comments again, I accept that neither of you intended to insult Packer. But the perception to others may be different. <br /><br />Even just posting an article on Packer (regardless of the content) under a large banner reading "Against Heresies" sends out a fairly strong message (even if it's not the one you intended).<br /><br />I'm not sure that Trueman's dressing up of his repeated uses of the words "failure" and "failed" (only some of which are softened with qualifiers) with an appreciation of some of Packer's books really softens the blow much.<br /><br />My thought is that academics and others should stick to criticising the content of a person's work (e.g. his written arguments), rather than attacking his character or behaviour. To brand someone "in some ways a failure" seems to cross the line. More generally, it sounds like Trueman's essay (which I confess I haven't read) is directed at analysing Packer's actions, rather than his writing. If such essays are to be written at all, I would prefer they were done posthumously.<br /><br />A test I always find helpful when discussing someone else (whether supposedly in a learned fashion, or tempted to gossip), is to imagine the subject of the conversation listening in over my shoulder. I can't help feeling that Packer, were he ever to stumble across this webpage, couldn't help but be a little hurt by it.<br /><br />Anyway, that's my tuppence-worth. Thanks for responding so positively to my early comments. I have now very much enjoyed looking around some of the rest of your website. God bless.<br /><br />TimTimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post-70094421810138068812009-10-28T22:42:10.145+00:002009-10-28T22:42:10.145+00:00Ann's comment was poor.
JIP's signature o...Ann's comment was poor.<br /><br />JIP's signature of ECT and the subsequent defenses thereof have left, for this scribe, a rank odour over the rest of his work.<br /><br />A great technician. But no ecclesiastical statesmanship.Reformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post-39990640443801501762009-10-28T10:26:30.897+00:002009-10-28T10:26:30.897+00:00Tim,
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. I ap...Tim,<br /><br />Thank you for your thoughtful comment. I appreciate what you have written and wil take it to heart. It is certainly not my intention to publicly insult Dr. Packer. I have great affection for him. His writings have made an enormous impact upon my Christian life, especially during my days as an undergraduate. I'm really not sure that it was Carl Trueman's intention to publicly insult him either. In my estimation Packer was the greatest British theologian of the 20th century. Much of his writing has been aimed at giving responses to particular issues and has served us well. As far as I am aware producing an ST tome was intended but never happened.Martin Downeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08019053545918223050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post-133485912864335382009-10-28T08:32:19.912+00:002009-10-28T08:32:19.912+00:00Another passer by who happened to follow a link he...Another passer by who happened to follow a link here. I don't agree with Ann's remark about making God in your own image, but I agree with her sentiment that this video and post have a divisive, somewhat nasty tone to them. What strikes me, both from the video clip and your comment to Ann ("your comment doesn't engage in any intelligent way") is that you at risk of worshiping at the altar of intellectualism. I feel this is a major problem in many theological colleges of today - a rather self-absorbed style of internal debate about secondary issues, while the world outside either looks on in bemusement, or more often simply doesn't notice at all. How sad. Case in point: so what if Jim Packer did not write (yet another) systematic theology tome? I simply do not understand the mindset that calls a man a "failure" simply because he did not write a particular book. I do not personally agree with all of Jim Packer's engagement with Roman Catholicism, but I would never publicly insult a fellow brother in Christ in the manner done here.<br /><br />"Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace" - Ephesians 4:2 (NIV)Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post-18910545379151982722009-10-23T12:14:36.314+01:002009-10-23T12:14:36.314+01:00Ann,
That's something of a drive by shooting,...Ann,<br /><br />That's something of a drive by shooting, and with a shot gun at that.<br /><br />I'm Welsh, so why would I want God to be American?<br /><br />And seeing as the rest of your comment doesn't engage in any intelligent way with the video, commentary, or comments, I shall leave my response to you with that sole query.Martin Downeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08019053545918223050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post-24653036209162970002009-10-21T01:17:37.148+01:002009-10-21T01:17:37.148+01:00I always liked J.I. Packer and his way of addressi...I always liked J.I. Packer and his way of addressing the spiritual - The Holy Spirit which gets zero attention in the Reformed faith.<br />Sort of relegated to the bottom of the closet, but not completely thrown out with all other "superstitions"<br /><br />I know you won't moderate this and that's ok. I just dropped by when I saw Packer's name.<br /><br />Against Heresies - the favorite past time of the Protestants...calling each other heretics and apostates who've fallen from the faith and failed.<br /><br />How sad. You said sola scriptura, but what you mean is sola scriptura - sola me...<br /><br />You guys always make God in your own image and worship him. He's white, preferably American, and He also must have inspired the WCF. <br /><br />You guys are fighting a losing battle I'm afraid. Your fight against unity always has you splitting into smaller and smaller groups. Our Lord prayed for unity...not Calvinism...not Arminians...<br /><br />I really will pray that you all will stop witch hunting and realize you are in opposition to Our Lord when you keep dividing for the "faith".<br /><br />AnnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post-11126177585147484252009-10-18T14:28:50.842+01:002009-10-18T14:28:50.842+01:00Thanks for the tip.Thanks for the tip.Martin Downeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08019053545918223050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post-6450352794893760022009-10-18T00:08:43.062+01:002009-10-18T00:08:43.062+01:00You can make the YouTube video fit the space you h...You can make the YouTube video fit the space you have by going to edit posts and find the entry you need to edit. Change the width and possibly the height. If you read through the embed code you will see that both occur twice. If you change only the height do it in both places. Republish the blog entry and you will see that from now on you can make blog entries with videos fit the place you have for them.<br /><br />Here is my blog if you want ot ake a look. http://midcitychristian.blogspot.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post-36109485329281263162009-10-17T08:41:31.816+01:002009-10-17T08:41:31.816+01:00To calm the nerves of any conspiracy theorists out...To calm the nerves of any conspiracy theorists out there, the section omitted by Iain Murray from 'Growing into Union' is, "except the signed Appendixes".Phil Swannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post-15275721248442217672009-10-17T04:20:23.042+01:002009-10-17T04:20:23.042+01:00Further attempts end in failure. A Canadian friend...Further attempts end in failure. A Canadian friend attempted to help, but it won't open.Reformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post-46541990049299396422009-10-17T03:35:16.664+01:002009-10-17T03:35:16.664+01:00The link won't open here. Nuts!The link won't open here. Nuts!Reformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31896366.post-69787183558931010302009-10-17T03:11:47.144+01:002009-10-17T03:11:47.144+01:00Please pursue this thread to the end of the world....Please pursue this thread to the end of the world. I am a Reformed and Confessional Anglican who will tolerate a Bishop--if solid. Please do worldwide Anglicanism a favour and puruse this. All ears.<br /><br />VeitchReformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.com